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O/T: any biology teachers here? Is a snake an animal?

Someone I know very heatedly argued to me this afternoon that a snake is not an animal. Same for an ant. I say he is wrong, he says I am. Soooo, any biology teachers on the board? (Believe it or not, this arose out of a conversation about where was God when Jewish people were being executed in the concentration camps during WWII. He didn't like my answer to that either.)



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LMAO!

This guy sounds like a loon, poor dog!

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I know some people that have some intelligence, but no sense...

or empathy. They think because they have achieved some level of material success, that they know what they are talking about, but that isn't always the case.

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If your friend behaves as low and slimy as a snake...

he'll take birth in a form that represents the way he lived his life, in my opinion.

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I suspect he did not graduate from high school and thus was neve

the categories of living creatures, such as Kingdoms, Phylum, Class, etc. And he doesn't want to hear about that either. I tried, to no avail.

Just to be fair to him, tho, he was an extremely successful businessman who virtually invented a highly profitable type of business that he eventually sold for about $100 million. So, in most respects, his lack of a formal education didn't hurt him much. Altho some of his beliefs come across as very ignorant, he is by no means stupid.




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Lol, I wish you could be there too

I could use some support because this guy and most of the guys who are at the bar are very conservative and like this guy practically worship at the wells of Rush Limbaugh and Glen Beck. Thus I'm usually vastly outnumbered, tho the others did agree he is wacko about believing a snake is not an animal.

Oh, I did use the argument about those who ignore the past are doomed to repeat its errors. That also was like talking to a wall. He also got in a huff when he started blasting Obama on healthcare reform and I turned his own words on him. I told him that was two weeks, so that's the past and he needs to stop living in the past, lol.





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This is a trick

You show him a snake heart and he'll get your for killing a snake, plus he'll deny it belongs to a snake. Your could show him this, but I'll bet he says it's fake, designed by an Obama socialist.


You really have to start using logic and facts because his techinque is simply to deny logic and facts.

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Woof!

The past is prologue.

You need to get a book called 'The Art of Verbal Self Defense'. It shows different kinds of argument techniques and how to counter them.



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Glad to see something got your interest. Let's all go to N.O. and be part of Gary's debate team and I'll bring the rum!!

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Well, for my two cents...............

in one big broad brushstroke, as attorneys like to say, and I get the strong impression this person must be an attorney because he likes to hear himself pontificate; to ignore the past is to repeat it. Ask him if he's inviting more government spending by taking this position. In fact, he may very well be encouraging it, much to his unaware folly. And your assertion about animals makes perfect sense to me. This must be a very lonely man, indeed. But, keep on enjoying your mano-a-mano's. It must be fun. Wish I could be there and I'd bring the rum. Can you imagine how interesting everything would get then? Woo-hoo! Motion granted in favor of the Plaintiff!! Let's see, as I recall, your retainer was a carton of Jif, right?

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Gary, it occurs to me that he may have missed a lesson or two on

all the sub groups in kindergarten. This is something we actually teach through all the years, but I'd put any one of my kinder kids against this character. They know there are warm and cold blooded animals which include snakes (reptilians), frogs and salamanders (amphibians), cats, dogs, lions, tigers, bears (warm-blooded, both wild and tame)...and the list goes on and on. Currently we are studying insects. We have squirmy caterpillars in a habitat in our room. My kids are ecstatic about the day they become pupas, and ultimately, the day they hatch into Painted Lady butterflies. I think my kids are all over this topic! I fear you have encountered a person who doesn't believe in equality. Too bad adults can't accept everyone like kids do. You can learn a lot from a child.

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Great info, as he and I spoke, I kept trying to remember all the

below Kingdom but I had forgotten them.



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Lol, good one

next time I see him, I'm going to be very tempted to tell him that a snake has a bigger brain than he does.

You should hear him tell his story about the time he beat a dog to death. He claims the dog attacked him and lunged at his balls because the dog didn't like his suit.



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The Rep. from Guam...

I used to work on Capitol Hill and I saw several guys like this. The staff ran the office and the district. The congressmen were not even able to hold a conversation or find their way through a door without help. We were required to treat this as normal.

They are not stupid, but were suffering from early dementia. I don't know if that's the case with this guy.

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wow

I don't know how I would have gotten through a conversation like that. Too bad you are not closer, Gary. I have dead snakes in my rodent freezer. I'd pull one out and cut the heart out, and he would have to pay up! happy.gif

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Lol, I saw the video of that hearing, the poor Admiral looked li

tongue to keep from busting out laughing.



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Duh...

... this guy related to the congressman that is concerned deployment of troops to Guam will cause the island to tip over?

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Gary, don't waste your time with people like this...

I'm not rich, but I know that a snake is an animal and has a heart. My six-year old daughter knows it.I believe a snake has more brain that this one...
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chopped wiver!?!

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Good responses

I like!



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tell him

that the past is irrevocably tied to the present and it's not possible to separate the two entirely.
Disregarding the enormous impact past decisions have on the present situation is childish and a blatant attempt to avoid admitting the two are intertwined.
Trying to completely differentiate government spending by hyper focusing soley on what it's been spent on, and then attempting to say that the money spent on one is not actually tax money spent, whereas money spent on the other IS actually tax money spent, is really just as stupid as it sounds.
The bottom line is it's tax dollars spent by the government. The next to the last line is whom the money was spent on. War? Banks? Corporations? Bailouts? Healthcare?

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yes a snake is an animal

it's either
Animal
Vegetable, or
Mineral


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Well, believe it or not . . .

I enjoy arguing with him precisely because we disagree on so much, and he says he enjoys the arguments for the same reason.

Maybe you can give me a good counter argument to use on one issue he always brings up. As I said, he hates Obama and rants on and on about how much money Obama spends. Every time he brings that up, I respond to him that he conveniently forgets about the almost $1 trillion in "tax cuts" (I tell it was really welfare for the greedy) that Bush gave to the wealthiest 1% of the population during his first year in office, another almost $1 trillion Bush gave to the big Wall Street banks with no strings attached when the banking crisis started (he really gets irate when I tell him that much of that money just went into the pockets of the banks' CEOs rather than into consumer loans as was intended), and the $2 trillion or so Bush spent by waging two wars on a credit card, hugely running up the deficit, rather than showing the political courage of raising money to fight those wars. His reply is one I hear all the time . . . that was all in the past and you can't live in the past and it has nothing to do with what is going on now with that no-good Obama running up the deficit by spending a trillion dollars since he got elected. He insists that bringing up Bush is just living in the past. So, what's a good counter argument to that? I've tried replying with the obvious, i.e., that Obama has had to spend the trillion dollars to clean up the huge economic mess left behind by Bush. But he keeps saying, "that's the past, you're living in the past." Got a good/better counter argument I can use?

And, btw, he does not like dogs at all. His argument there is that "you never know what they're thinking." I reply that you never know what people are thinking, either. Doesn't do any good, tho.




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Oh, he also insisted that snakes don't have a heart . . .

and smugly offered $100 (nothing to him, he is very wealthy) to any of us who would go cut out a snake's heart and bring it to him to show that he was wrong.

The only statement that I think he got right was that he also insisted an ant doesn't have a heart. But, of course, he also insisted an ant is not an animal either, lol.







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Geeze....

Steer clear of this person. He sounds deranged.

(If he knew anything, he'd know that bulldogs are angels....)

As least I think bulldogs are angels.

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His argument about the concentration camps was bizarre

and is hard to pass on. He said God was there but seemed to say God was there with the Nazis. He didn't quite say God was siding with the Nazis, just that his presence was there. He wasn't quite making sense to me. He hates Obama and kept avoiding my question by throwing Obama into the discussion and saying Obama wants to be like Hitler in terms of grabbing power. I told him my answer to the question was when someone asks "Where was God," the answer is "Where was Man?" Needless to say, he didn't like my answer.

The snake issue came up because as we talked about religion I told him I like the concept of reincarnation in the context of God puts animals on this earth as a very special gift, blessing, and trust, both to help humans, such as by providing them with a source of food, clothing, and shelter, but also as part of the test of whether we should be admitted to heaven, considering factors such as how a person treated animals, treated other humans, and how they otherwise lived their lives (kindness, giving, helping the less fortunate, etc). And I said those most deserving would probably go straight to heaven whereas others might come back as an "animal" such as an insect, a snake, etc., and continue to be reincarnated progressively upwards until they learn to truly appreciate the gift of human life and thus earn the right to go to heaven. I told him I wasn't sure that is what happens, just that I like the idea of it. Well, this guy does not like animals. Among other things, he was a big game hunter for a long time and likes to brag about the heads he stuffed and mounted on his walls. So, he started attacking the theory of reincarnation and expressed utter contempt that a human might come back as something as "low and slimy" as a snake (his words). And he kept insisting that I was wrong in calling a snake and animal because a snake is a reptile, not an animal. I tried to explain to him that reptiles are animals, but it was like talking to a wall.

Anyhow, the conversation zigged and zagged all over the place. But towards the end, he really pounced on the notion that a snake is an animal.



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Our chopped liver has too much onions for bullies.

But, I'll save some without....

Woof!

Very skillfully put....

...in order to keep a potentially volatile subject Bully related.

Bernie wants to know who is serving chopped liver. He has his bags packed and will be right over : )

OK, I'm not a biology anything, but...

Yes, you are right. Snakes are animals. They are cold-blooded animals. Insects are animals. Humans are animals.
Califlower is a plant. Lilies are plants. Yeast is a plant. Birds are animals. Bulldogs are animals. Silver is a mineral. Worms are animals. Fleas are animals.





As a Jew, I'm really interested in the argument that person you talked to was making about Jews and the death camps.

This guy sounds like an idiot. His brains are made of chopped liver.

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Not a biology teacher, but...

The key word, to me, is Animalia...yes, a snake is an animal.

Kingdom: Animalia

Phylum: Chordata

Subphylum: Vertebrata

Class: Reptilia

Order: Squamata

Suborder: Serpentes



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