do you have a friend that maybe would consider adopting this dog. that might help if you knew someone else. a young cocker should be easy to rehome.
if the dog is very young..likely he will get adopted.
they always say housebroken but that means differently to everyone
if you put out a dog every half hour on the hour...it will be housebroken
but if the dog is required to do to the door to let you know that would different.

do not beat yourself up..so dogs are just not meant to be...
I am sure he will be rehomed.


sorry not much other help

i read and re-read and I just do not see a vicious attack? Maybe it was deleted?

A mistake was made, realized and fully admitted. She feels awful and learned a very valuable lesson.

What awful attack was there? Seems more like an over-reaction to me.

Cathy
when she first came home

Dog owners, especially dog owners who rescue and advocate for abandoned, abused, and returned dogs would not have been as calm, kind, and level headed as Amy, Gary, Pat, Wendy and everyone else was.

You post on a public message forum, you open yourself up to any and all opinions, good, bad, and ugly. I'm not sure what the OP was expecting. She was offered empathy, suggestions, and advice than any mom would give... "You made a mistake, learn from it."

BDW members KNOW when a subject is volatile, and you could actually sense the eggshells everyone was treading lightly on. I see absolutely no attacks and no one to wag my finger at, yelling "Shame on you!"

It's nice to not be wrong once in a while! I have strong feelings about shelters and rescue, but I also didn't intend to hurt Jessi's feelings. Hope she will come back.

Amy and Sophia

contact rescue or something
we have no idea where the dog came from
or we could contact a rescue group for the pup too.
kinda in Jessi's hands ..this one..
and hope she posts something...
especially with a puppy...that is very sad

i.e., to get the dog out, to rescue or whatever, before it was too late. Especially since he is still a puppy, not that an older dog deserves any less.





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thanks for your response

just about the dog..and saving it
maybe rescue can get contacted before something else happens to him
I am sure a rescue group would come and get him if this is a kill shelter
but someone has to act fast

I certainly did not intend my response to be perceived as an attack and was surprised to see that it was.





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. . . a good friend of mine who worked for years at an animal shelter told me they were so over crowded that most dogs are put down within 3 days, even tho people who drop them off were often told it was 30 days. I've heard the same thing about other shelters. Thus, time may be of the essence for this particular dog. And from my perspective, missing one semester of college is not that big a deal. My family was very poor and could not support me at all in college when I graduated from high school. Although I graduated 3rd out of 454 students, I put college off for 3 years until I could afford it. IMO, a semester is a blink of the eye. That is not an attack on anyone, just an opinion.







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Hello....Jessi came here looking for opinions. We gave them. Don't jump on us all for doing exactly what she asked us for. Not one person on this board said a mean word to her, just honest, heartfelt opinion.

Amy and Sophia

I even told Jessi that. I am on her side, I feel for her, but what happened was something that shouldn't have!

Amy and Sophia

I'm not here to judge you, but you should have asked for advice before you returned the dog. Yes, you rushed into things by getting the dog and yes it was a mistake to return the dog to a kill shelter. I'm not saying you should have kept the dog but you could have rehomed him yourself. But, what's done is done. The people of BDW are just giving you their opinions, and right or wrong it is THEIR opinion. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and if you didn't want to hear what people thought then you should not have posted. Don't blame others for not agreeing with you.

I realize you are young and will certainly make other mistakes because we all make mistakes, that's part of life. But frankly, saying you're not going to post here just because we didn't show you empathy is a little childish. But I am sorry you are upset because I know you were trying to do the right thing by rescueing a dog. Being an adult really sucks sometimes trust me, I know.

In fact, I admitted to having to rehome animals in the past myself due to mistakes I made not thinking things through as well as I should have.

Unfortuntely, this was a selfish mistake that the dog has to pay for more than anyone. Like I said, I have made somewhat similar mistakes myself. Noone is condemning her for the mistake she made. I just dont think she needs to expect a whole lot of concern and understanding for HER vs. the poor puppy in question, when she posts this on a dog forum -especially on "Rescue Weekends". What did she expect? Plain and simple.

I did not find anything rude or mean about anyone's post. No one attacked her in any way. The people that have responded to her have been long time posters that very often have been here to help others and offer support. I've never seen them attack anyone.

Jessi came here asking for people's opinions of the situation. Amy, Gary, Wendy, JD, Pat, Bonnie, Onslowsmom all responded in a respectful way even if their views didn't agree with hers or each others.

Let's not attack people simply because they disagree with someone.

I was not mean to Jessi and I resent you saying that.

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I was once a very avid reader and sometime poster on this board.

I now drop in every now and then read and lurk abit.

Your responses to Jesse was nothing short of a physical attack.

SHAME ON ALL OF YOU!!! SHAME!!!!How dare you be so rightous and downright mean to

someone who is already suffering. She reached out--BIG MISTAKE- to who she tought

was a caring group--like you all PRETEND to be.

For all of you--"DO NOT JUDGE-LEAST YE BE JUDGED"

My time on BDW is a thing of the past.

You have a dog. You love your dog. You know how much love, attention and training he required- and still does. This isnt your first rodeo, so to speak. You knew you had very very little time for socializing a new dog, be it an adult that needed extra comforting or a puppy that needed extra training. You went to a shelter, brought home a lonely dog and gave him two weeks before taking him back for reasons he doesnt and cant understand.

It was selfish and even you admit that it wasnt thought through properly or given much consideration. The dog suffers more than anyone. Simply put, you made a mistake. I have made mistakes and had to rehome animals myself. I have done it too, and knew full-well it was my own damn fault. Im guilty of it too. Noone is condemning you for making the mistake. However, it would be foolish to post about a stupid mistake you made that results in the dog suffering **on a dog forum** and expect sympathy for yourself and not the dog. We have all made mistakes, but dont expect a lot of sympathy on a dog forum for that kind of mistake.

I know your heart was in the right place, Jessi. You tried to help him and it didn't work out. That's all.

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it is a win win for Jessi too
the dog would get a good home that way

this is a big misunderstanding with the shelter too. the little dog will get rehomed..no doubt.
maybe you could contact cocker rescue somewhere and see if they will put the pup. if they are indeed serious about putting the dog to sleep. might make yourself feel better..

do not stop posting
I enjoy your threads

you cant get it back. But maybe she could find someone to get it. But up here there is quite a contract as far as if she had kept it and then placed it with someone else, I dont think we can do that up here, but not sure?

Sometimes it does get harsh on here. I don't believe its because you have not posted for years. I believe that some of the oldest posters have seen it all and speak their minds. When I was a newbee, I asked for help in finding someone to breed my boy to-I got some wonderful help and advise from Gary. I had no idea that what I was asking would seem hideious to others.

I have saved Darlin's life because of this board-I could NOT live without the help on here.

Blessings to you.


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and that rehoming it should be fairly easy, now the shelter knows age etc and who would fit with the puppy.

Sorry for everything. You had wanted an older dog, housebroke etc, The shelter was told what you were looking for and both sides made a mistake. Im sure your heart is breaking, I once surrendered a cat to rescue, and realized I wished I hadnt , she was a stray and still to this day kick myself for it. Cried and cried like you, donated alot of money to the rescue, tried to get her back realizing how much I missed her. Its over and done with, nothing can be done, dont stop posting. Thats why things are called "mistakes" and that is how we learn.

I knew i took a risk of criticism for posting this but i want to be honest and open, that's how i am. I jumped the gun on this and it was a mistake i am sorry for. But to suggest i drop school is ludacris and NOT an option at all..I cannot get the dog back the shelter already said no, this is not an option. I wasn't looking for a pity party just a little empathy. You think i dont know how many dogs die in shelters? I am well aware, i feel like complete sh*t for it. Some posters on here are nicer than others and i've seen this a lot in the two years i've been here. A lot of older BDW'ers are harsh to younger inexpierenced people like myself and i don't know if its lack of patience or just being in the clique of regular posters who are here. I love this place and have learned so much but all i wanted was some empathy. But obviously if you guys would drop a semester of school then i am not in the same commital league i guess. This will be my last post for a while, this board isn't that much fun for newbies anymore.

owner who surrendered it unless it was surrendered for drastic reasons that had changed.

For instance, a lady and her teenage daughter came in one day and surrendered their very lovely Red Chow female. The mother had been diagnosed with cancer and felt it was too much to try caring for that dog and they wanted the very best for it, so they brought her to us to help them find a home for her. No, a shelter isn't the place to do that, but they didn't know any better. The next day, mom and daughter were back to get the dog. It was too emotional for the whole family to let the dog go...turns out that dog helped the daughter through the loss of her mom... a comfort she would not have had if they had not returned for the dog.

So there are circumstances that would merit letting the person who surrendered the dog re-adopt it, but Jessi Ann's situation would not be one I would put a dog back into.

Amy and Sophia

and rehome it
with rescue or another owner

Find it a good home, if u must, drop out of school for the semester. School will still be there, the dog life will not.



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that is very true...even a well adjusted dog is very stressed in a new enviroment...

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This is what keeps us rescues busy. Rather than returning this pup to the shelter, you should have contacted however many rescues you could to get one of them to take it, or possibly even posted on the rescue board for bullys, someone there might have helped you re-home this pup. I know first hand from working in a shelter for many years, once an adopter brings a dog back, that dog has less chance of being adopted because the workers there know it's short history and won't be as quick to let the dog go to another home it may not fit into. It is more humane in their eyes to just put the dog down than pass it from house to shelter to house to shelter...

Too many times we let our hearts win out over common sense. You said yourself you work full time plus go to school part time....that didn't leave much time to socialize the new puppy (whether it was an adult or not...still not enough time to do things correctly). Crate training takes time and patience, the first I am sure you have little of. I bet this puppy could have been crate trained had it been allowed the time and energy it required to do so. It is hard work to bring any dog into any home, but generally speaking, a shelter dog takes a little more time to adjust because of the stress it has been through just being in the shelter. Two weeks is hardly enough time to relax a bit, much less settle down and feel comfortable with your new surroundings and family. Not fair to the little guy in my opinion.

Now Jessi, I am on your side my friend, but in the future, think twice or three times about your work schedule and your life style before attempting to bring ANY new dog home. Even an adult dog that is house trained will be stressed to the teeth coming into a new home, and many of them lose their house training skills for a time. Not saying you did anything at all wrong in wanting to love a new pet, but be realistic about it in the future:-)

Amy and Sophia

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your heart was in the right place but it was not the time.....we have all dont stupid things non of us havent acted on a whim....
let it go...it did not work out..and if you had kept the dog it would of only gotten worse for you and the family....
the next time wait a week before acting....
if the dog is that young he will get adopted...a cocker rescue would never pass placing a pup like that ..... you may want to reach out to a rescue cocker group and let them know about that dog....
things happen....
no one here is in your shoes and they should not judge your actions....
i have 2 sb dogs and why becasue no one wanted them...their to hard to place...i dont judge anyones actions becasue i have two dogs that would of been pts otherwise...
so move on...and be careful the next time...really really think....is this what we all want...that includes the dog....good luck

Look, it isn't about how much time you do or don't give your Bully. I personally have 7 horses to care for, two with injuries and one that was starving until last Friday when I rescued her. I have 4 that are self maintaining just about, good thing because there is only 1 of me!! Sophia gets her walks each day, and I love on her some, but mostly she is a lounge dog and hangs out with her big sister Kora. I don't spend exorbitant amounts of time with her at all!!

Stay with us Jessi. No one has any unkind words for you, no one meant to hurt your feelings, least of all me:-) I am sorry if that was what happened. You have been a valuable part of my family on BDW, one I don't want to have lost. Just because I would have done things differently, doesn't mean I condemn you for how you handled it! And no, the shelter isn't perfect, I doubt they intentionally told you the pup was an adult that was house broken. I bet it was told to them when the dog was initially brought in, and shelter staff have to pretty much go by what they are told since they have no personal; history with the dog. Their fault for not confirming the age though.

Anyway...stick around! We love you Jess, don't think you are anything less than a welcome and fine friend here.

Amy and Sophia

that I'm sorry for your situation. Unfortunately, sometimes, as much as we want, things don't work out. And you discovered that.

I honestly think that if this is a puppy, they will have no problem rehoming it. I think they just wanted to give you a hard time, and make you feel like crap. Mission accomplished. The shelter should have worked with you in the beginning to see if it would be a good match to begin with. Sounds like THEY do not have the dog's best interest at hand.

Thank you for trying, for looking into a shelter dog, and trying to give it a good home. And the realization that you can not provide for the puppy as it needs.

I think what everyone has said here, has already been in your head before, and you don't need to feel beat up. I'm not going to do that.

You know how YOU feel, my advice, people can get nasty on public boards (and I'm not saying anyone here has been nasty in this case, so please people, don't jump on me.) And basically, you NEVER know who you're dealing with in an online community.

Best of luck to you. I'm very sorry.

In the two years i've been on BDW i've come to realize some things about myself and members of this board. I am not quite as "hardcore" of a dog owner as some and thats ok. I wanted to get into all of the things most of you here love, like shows ect..ect..but my hearts just not in it. I love my bulldog Dozer but he is a pet to me and that's what he'll always be. I would do everything in my power to help him if he's sick or take care of him forever but i will never be quite as invovled with my bullie as some here are. And that's ok with me. I will be entering nursing school in the next year or two and my time will become non-exsistant. Dozer and my husband will have to lean on each other as i will not have a minute to spare. I gave the cocker back because i thought it was the best thing for all invovled and the shelter regardless of the lies they told me about returning it or my ignorance of the whole situation i will not make that mistake again. I have thought about what everyone said today and i understand this situation hits close to home and upsets some more than others. But i am not upset anymore, whats done is done and its over. I won't beat myself up anymore or feel bad. I let myself cry for a day and i'm done. I like this board and the people here are all very nice. But i will probably not be around as much simply because i have realized that while i love my bullie i dont devote 100% of my time and life everyday to him. This is just a realization i've come to and if it makes me a bad dog owner in peoples eyes then so be it. I will continue to educate people about bullies and discourage BYB's and ignorance about bullies because i beleive it can help. But my focus in life is changing and my bullie is not the center of it now, maybe after i finish school and start having kids i will be able to focus more on dogs and the joy they bring. But for now i have realized that my focus in life is shifting and things are changing as life does. Thanks everyone, no hard feelings here.