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and the lunatic I am sat there during the surgery. They both came home with me a few hours later. They did fine, ust kept them crated.

do you live near there?

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leave her overnight?
find a new vet?
show up at closing time and say "Gimme my dog!" and then find a new vet?
don't spay her?



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They leave for the night and come back in the morning. Yep. I confirmed it. Wishful thinking, I know. I had hoped the same.

And transfers are on the owner around here. I did all of Grover's emergency transfers if you recall. The ER hospital is 45 minutes away. So, I'd be the one showing up to transfer her to an ER? Just to go home and pick her up all that way again? LOL... Nah, they wouldn't do that.

I would pay extra to have someone stay overnight! Definitely. Oh well...


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they do most likely have someone that comes in during the night to administer meds to the dogs that need them. So she wouldn't be alone all night.

She will be more likely to just sleep and be calm and comfy at the vet's office. Less stress and less chance of pulling anything getting in and out of a car or during the excitement of seeing her mommy.

You can have her transferred to a 24 hour emergency clinic when your vet's office closes. I was offered that option when Junior had his peep surgery. I didn't do it because I figured it would freak him out even more than being there overnight. He was fine.

Totally understand your concern. There should be an option to pay a vet tech to stay with your dog. I would pay for that!

If there was any complication from the surgery, your vet would send her to a 24 hour facility when they close or take her home with him/her.




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once they start making estrogen they increase the chance of breast cancer. Everything i have read said spay before 1st heat to decrease the chance of breast cancer. It cuts the chance of cancer by like 90%. The only time to spay after the 1st heat is if they have a inverted vulva, then the swelling from the heat cycle can help.

I agree with males, im not for neutering. Unless you have no idea where your dog is and you let them roam all over to impregnate any dog. Taking testosterone away from a male increases the chance of bone cancer. If you have a agressive dog you need training and cut them off.

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is the same as yours and if I feel comfortable taking them home he is good with that. She is better off home with someone to watch her then at an unstaffed clinic overnight.

I would talk to your vet directly...not the person answering the phone because they are taught what to say and can't make a judgement call.

As for the Rabies shot question I can't really help. But if they absolutely refuse to do the spay without her having the rabies shot then I would go ahead and get her rabies shot around 6 months. Then schedule her spay for as soon after the shot as possible. Most of these girls don't have their heat cycle right at 6 months and many are 9 months.

Bubbas sister has problems with urinary infection, her girl parts look almost inverted. first heat would have helped her. wait as long as you can for rabies.

I'm not sure if they have someone present overnight, but they do have web cams that allow clients to look in on their dog.







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Can't you just take her in the morning and tell the vet you want to take her home because you would rather be able to watch her than have her be alone all night.

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My vet agreed that it was a good idea to let them have a first heat, the reduction of mammary tumors is still very signifigant as long as you spay before the second heat. The risk of bone cancer increases if you spay/neuter before the first birthday, in some breeds more than others, but especially in large/large boned breeds.
It's interesting how differnt vets do things. Mine does not have anyone there all night either, so he makes you sign an agreement before the surgery saying you understand that you HAVE to pick your dog up that evening, and that you agree to take the dog to the all night emergency hospital if they require overnight care. He won't let them stay alone in the empty hospital overnight. I can't imagine why it would be safer for a dog to be alone after surgery than home where she'll be comforatble and watched.
NC law says rabies vaccine must be given by 4 months old, so I would think that by 6 mos it would be OK. I'd still want to wait a bit after the shot to do the surgery though.

Cathy
when she first came home

And I called every 2 hours just to make sure they were really there and they were great about giving me the blow by blow on what and how he was doing.

As for the rabies thing I can't offer any guidance on that one, sorry.

Bring her to Liz's office. Hahaha.

But I'd LIKE to work out a mutual agreement with my vet. I'm really hoping it's just the person who answered the phone...

We'll see.


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so you can discuss your concerns, they know how you work since you have been a client for 9 yrs.


If they will not work with you, you might let them know you will be looking for another vet. I would also consider going to your breeders vet since they have seen the dog before she is not new and Liz is great and can be very helpful.



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I recently had my daughter's kitten spayed and I flat out refused to leave her overnight.
I would probably be red flagged if Stella had to have surgery as I would want to gown up and be in the room.

Tiffany and Stella

she is my first dog I didn't know anything different but she had her shots and when she got spayed we dropped her off in the morning and picked her up late afternoon, I would never leave her there with NO one around, what if something happend in the middle of the night.. that's just crazy, getting spayed is so routine I didn't think anyone kept the dogs over night, again Bella is my first though.

Hope everyone has a great day

you could give her Rabies shot now . I also think 6 months is a OK time to give it ( just not before 6 months ) and then wit 2-3 weeks and have her spayed . I dont think she will go into heat before then . As everyone else said , I would insist on taking her home . They really cant legally keep your dog if you dont want them to , but they will probably make you sign a release which I am sure you will be happy to do


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I think they just want her to be quiet, if it was me I would definately take her home, she can be in a crate with you being able to watch her and make sure she is ok rather than being left alone, I can't see the harm,

I'm so glad to know you all took your pups home that night. That makes me feel better that it IS possible. Better yet, one of my closest friends also uses this vet and is in vet tech school... and they know that. And her husband is an EMT/firefighter. So I have her on hand if I need her. And they know that.

Plus, I'm intimately familiar with the ER vet having been there with Grover in September.

Will be interesting to see what my vet says about this rabies vs. spay thing. I'm definitely having a harder time with this vet than I did with the owner... he was wonderful for years, but is now retiring. She defers to him regularly when it comes to me... But I'm getting tired of having to constantly be on the defensive.

I'm just out of luck with this whole rabies by a certain date and spayed by a certain date because of doggie daycare requirements and whatnot.

ARRRGH!


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i refused to leave charlie over nite as their was no one their....he had had eye surgery and one retained testicle and he has sb...i did not him sitting in poop or pee..... i signed a release....and off we went....i did wait till closing time 9pm...he just slept all nite....
as for rabies its a state law...i do my first then my three year...do your rabies at least two months prior to spaying....or two months after....
and talk to your vet the front end people have no say...they just repeat what their told....if you have a good relatioship with your vet...they should be happy to work with you....

bruce and jackie both got theyre rabies shots when they where 5 month old and i dont thin it harmed them in any way.... besides ,i take them to the dog park a lot so i like to have them n every possible vaccine i can get ( i do the same for myself) .

bruce got fixed when he was 6 month ( i think) and i didnt have to leave him... i droped him off at 7am and i got to pick him up at 5pm the same day .

i wouldnt leave my dogs anywhere overnight if noone is there at the clinic to watch over them ... heard to many scary stories .

jackie stayed at the vet over night when she had her entropion surgery (by choice though cause i know she wouldnt sit still in her crate or the couch) but they have staff there 24/7 .

hope i could help give that wild girl of yours a smooch

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That makes no sense to me. The whole point in having her stay at the clinic is so that the nursing staff can monitor her recovery. If they do not provide that service then I would take her elsewhere. How do they deal with round the clock patients recovering??? Kind of makes me wonder.

Also, vaccinations are not something that can be enforced, it's not something that any owner HAS to do but it's recommended. It's the vet's choice to refuse spay without your rabies shot essentially. That said, if you are really wanting to use the vet you did with Grover I would speak to him/her personally about the issue.

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theres no need to leave them overnight - its usually just so they come out of the anesthesia fully, as long as you understand that she's going to be groggy and it shouldn't be problem. I could see if there was someone at the hospital over night, but where there isn't, whats the point of making her stay? Just to charge you the overnight boarding fee?

My vet doesn't make you leave the dog overnight for a spay. What is the reason you vet does this? I'm pretty sure my file says "NUT' also I have a good relationship with my vet too, but I ask a million questions & call several times if one of mine is having something done. I just had the experience of leaving one overnight for the first time a few weeks ago & I hated every minute of it. No overnight staff, but my vet would NOT let my dog go home until the next day. It was for a tail surgery. They wanted the dog to stay so they could adminster fluids & pain meds. My dog was fine I was a wreck! As for the rabies, I have always given them around six months old, the one dog I decided to hold off until it was older, got demodex. Best of luck Gretl will be fine. YOur nerves probably won't be




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overnight following a spay/neuter. If you are not comfortable doing that, then find another vet. Gretle is your dog. Your property. Your baby. If you dont want her to be there overnight then dont go along with that. End of story. What are they keeping her overnight for? Observation? Noone will be there to observe her!

As for the rabies vac., I doubt you will find a vet willing to wait past 6 months for that and still do a surgery... but if you are calling around for good vet that will also let her go home that evening, then ask about the rabies vac. while you're at it.

As for being a lunatic, think about it. You are a very worried mama. They are vet.s offices. Do you really think you are the only worried mama they deal with on a daily basis? I wouldnt worry about that at all. You should be proud of it!

I love my vet where I go, but I'm not necessarily the biggest fan of the clinic/receptionists. They stick to the clinics bible word for word... and last time even told me I HAD to vaccinate. My vet, however, is much more "holistic" of mind I guess you would say, and doesn't necessarily stick to the clinic's policies if they don't benefit my dog or stick to my beliefs. So I would talk directly to the vet about your concerns and see if he/she will work with you. If not, maybe it is time for another vet.

I am also a non-vaccinator (new word) as well (although Mavie did get the whole she-bang as a puppy), but I think you'd be safe giving the rabies vaccine at 6 months, especially if not in conjunction with other vaccines. If you search on-line (or e-mail me) there are several holistic supplements you can give in preparation for the vaccine as well to help the immune system.

If you are sure you want to spay before her first heat I would probably go ahead with the vaccinations, but make sure to leave time between the shot and the spay for her immune system to recover. Otherwise, I would probably just wait to spay until after her first couple heats (again, my view on things) and get her her rabies when you feel comfortable.

As for leaving her alone, I think that's up to your comfort level again. I don't see why if she's the first dog in in the morning you couldn't take her home if there isn't 24 hour care. The only risk I could see to taking her home is if her stitches opened, or something, but as long as you're watching and have an emergency number, I don't see how it's any different if you left her there alone.

Julia, my girls and boys have always come home the same day after spay/neuter surgery.
They are tired and a little out of it, but if you keep them calm and no jumping, we have never had any problem.
With my girls, I usually set up a soft comfy spot with blankets and they were ok.
you might have to get up to let her out to potty during the night, but that was about it.
As far as rabies, I waited until 6 months and had no problem, but it might be some kind of law that the vet cannot do her spay without rabies, since she will be around other animals.

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I think 6 months is an OK age to give Rabies, if the dog hasn't had any health issues to drag down its immunity.
However, I don't normally spay until after the 1st heat. I've read some studies that bitches spayed prior to their 1st heat are more likely to have incontinence problems when they are older than those spayed later. I know Vets cite mammary tumors, cancers, etc. as the reason to spay young, but the risk percentages of cancer, tumors, etc. don't go up dramatically by waiting until after the 1st heat.
Also, I've never left a dog overnight for a routine spay, and certainly wouldn't if there wasn't going to be anyone there with the dog - what would be the reason? I'd rather make an extra trip to the Clinic in the morning if they wanted to check on her. Now if the Vet was willing to take the dog home with them, I could handle that.

I wouldn't leave one overnight anyway, but especially not without an overnight staff person on duty. Too many things can happen.

I had Sophie's rabies shot at 4 months with no issues, and Isabella had hers at 3 months (my vet snuck that shot in....not on purpose, but he didn't know I wanted to wait and I didn't know he was giving it to her!) Both did fine with the rabies shot.



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But wanted you to know that I'm sending you lots of hugs

Geez, Tillie was about 18 months when she was spayed, as you know she didn't come to us until 16 months. And I did leave her over night. I was nervous of course, but I honestly trusted my vets office at the time. Now, with all the stories I've heard in recent years on the board etc, I'd probably be a wreck.

Not much I can offer you, other than support for whatever you decide!

Smooch her for me,
Christie

I picked Winnie up the same day. I took her in early and picked her up @ closing.

I have always brought my bullies home after surgery vs. leaving them at the vet with no one there. I even had one of my girls spayed and she had palate surgery at the same time and I brought her home the same day. My vet will give us the phone number of the vet that is on call, just in case something should happen in the middle of the night. The spay surgery is like having a c-section and the momma's always go right home with the babies. Gretl will be very sleepy when she first comes home. I can't help you with the rabies vaccination because I use the old school vaccination schedule. You are not a lunatic!!, just maybe a little psycho!!! HEHEHE, that is what my family says about me when it comes to the bullies!! Good luck!

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I all our years of having dogs they have never had to stay over for spay/neuter. They have all come home the same day. I would not want to leave overnight if no one is there. Knock wood --there has never been a problem. Hope I am not asking for trouble now that I just booked Georgias spay today..LOL

With no one there and it was really scary. I would talk to the Vet, explain your concerns and hope they will let you bring her home. I think 6 months is ok to give rabies.

I would not leave her overnight with no one there and I thought spaying was a same day surgery.

I would talk to the Vet directly and voice your concerns about the stay and your thinking on the rabies. As they are the doctor they can veto the receptionist.

Hope it all works out.

at what age would you like to give her the rabies vaccine ? I only ask, because that may help answer whats best . She may not go into heat for a few more months , and although spaying before she comes into her first heat reduces the chances of mammary tumors , I dont think the risk is really that high . So you could wait awhile for both .

Layla is 10 months old and she doesnt have her Rabies vaccine yet either .... nor is she spayed . I am also holding out on the Rabies vaccine .

I dont blame you for not wanting to leave her unattended. I hate that ! and dont know that I would leave a bulldog unattended after surgery . Too many repiratory risks for these guys . Is there no vet at all nearby that is 24 hrs ? I would definitely URGE your vet to do the surgery as early as possible and let you take her home . Is there a ER Vet nearby though , in case she would have a problem during the night ?


Roxanne & Layla

After her spaying. She went in first thing & came home at 4 or 5 pm same day. She was kinda groggy but could walk around & function just fine. Unless some complication arises, it looks like it would be better for Gretl to come home & have all night care. I don't know about the Rabies thing---I just do what they tell me on that. Good Luck!



Pretty Please...

I agree that it's absurd to ask you to leave your dog overnight when no one is there. I'm also surpised that they ask you to do this. When I had Sage and Harley spayed, it was done in the morning and they came home in the evening. Shop for another vet.

I took him home after his neuter but it's less invasive than a spay. And I've never had a female. I told the vet if I wasn't taking him home that I'd be bringing my sleeping bag. LOL

I would wait on the rabies too, as LONG as you can. Onslow got demodex shortly after his shot and I'm pretty darn sure that his immune system wasn't ready for it (kick my self in the butt for that - I wish I waited till at least 9 months-year, got it at 6 months).

Again I've never had a girl so I have no idea what you are up against with her going into heat but I'm pretty sure it's better to have that happen than the demodex.

Good luck Julia, it can be frustrating.



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My vet always let my girls go home with me that early evening( get there a few minutes before they closed)with a spay...and I had some problems with Marley, she had a IV with wrap still on her leg for fluids the next day.I personally, rather have them home, as long as the spay went ok, and have them in their own environment..Plus, you will be able to medicate for pain if needed.Their own bed, smells,sounds, toys laying around.I would go crazy with worry if they were there at the vet overnight, esp.with no one there..Thats how we do it here...
sorry, no advice on the rabies:(

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