LOL, oh well.

Annise

The frenchies actually look cute in this color, well some of them but they cannot be shown and shouldn't be bred.

Annise

some of her dogs from some US show people. One look at her site would set things straight in any ones mind I would think?

http://kristiebarwick.webs.com/

One of these days!!! What goes around, comes around. I swear, we will find a way to shut her down!! Ugh!!! She is unreal!

http://jamlerbulldogs.spaces.live.com/default.aspx

The litter I was referring to had a fawn dad and I believe the mom is pie bald....brindle and white.

I couldn't find any pictures of blue bulldogs, but found this link to blue frenchies. http://www.blue-frenchbulldogs.com/ . They also have some info on them. If anyone has a picture of a blue bulldog, I'd be interested in seeing it. Lottie

Though I dont find the color aweful thats exactly what I said after seeing my first White Doberman..

Kelly

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So I googled blue english bulldog only because I wanted to see what it looked like. And unfortunately you are correct, every website I found that had them marketed them as "rare" and "exotic". They even had the rare black bulldog. I am not even a breeder or involved in showing and this makes me cringe.

Mom was fawn, dad was red and white.

All from that litter were s/n, even the normals.

Jen

I meant to say the "rotti lookalike" did include the perfect markings of a rotti, and that I do include in my response to puppy buyers that these black/white, black/white/tan pups may occur occasionally, but that responsible breeders spay/neuter them.

one of our resident millers in ON has already advertised blues a month or so back as "coming this summer" However, the ad is now off of the site. Perhaps the plan to buy the blue parents fell through, or she realized she couldn't guarantee the pups would be blue. They fall right in line with her pups you must put a deposit on right away because they are "in demand" and her black and whites, and black, white, and tans, that are"rare and highly sought after" I saw one puppy pic on the site that looks like a rotti, not including the perfect black and tan marks of one...hmmmm...Noting that she does not show, adhere to the standard, or perform any health testing....
I get more emails than I like lately looking for a black and white, or black, white, and tan pup...I take my time explaining what is wrong with this and those who are breeding and profiting from these pups. I have always got a good response from people and a thank you, which is encouraging to a degree. These breeders will do anything to make a buck.

what a horrible color. What were the color of the parents of these blue ones? I can see it now if it gets into the hands of the mass producers.... "rare blue bulldogs"
yuck
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All colors are acceptable with the exception of solid black, mouse, liver, black and tan, black and white, and white with black, which are disqualifications. Black means black without a trace of brindle."

The FCI standard disallowed fawn until the mid-nineties. Color disqualifications under the current FCI standard are "black and tan, mouse grey, brown".

This is referred to as blue, or blue brindle. Brindle markings on this dog have a "grey" hue, and base coat color is a solid blue-grey.


A Blue Pied French Bulldog. "Blue" Frenchies are a result of the 'd' or dilute gene. In this form, the dilute factor has caused the black hairs to become blue. Pigment on nose and pads is also a greyish blue in color, and eyes are often blue or yellowish gold.


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to them..and several Frenchie breeders have been suspended from the Parent Club for breeding and selling them.

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...The color of coat should be uniform, pure of its kind and brilliant...various colors...to be preferred in the following order..red brindle..all other brindles...solid white...solid red, fawn or fallow..piebald...inferior qualities of all the foregoing....

To my way of thinking, the fact that it does not mention grey does not mean it is an automatic disqualification.

You guys, keep in mind I have NEVER heard of or seen a blue bulldog but after seeing the photo today,it looks grey to me. I have been in bulldogs 45 years, 25 of which were judging. How have I led such a sheltered life?

I have to tell you, I am SO glad one never came in the ring under me as I would be frozen with disbelief and wondering "what the heck is this???" I would frantically be reviewing the standard in my mind (in regards to color and disqualifications) and thinking that the only disqualification is a "Brown or liver-colored nose." I also would be thinking that solid black is "very undesirable" but a grey bulldog is neither of those and not even mentioned. I would sure judge it as "inferior quality" color though and I would know darn well that it had to be a generic weakness or something.

I would also be PRAYING to find something better in the class to give the ribbons too. If it was the only one in the class I think I would give it a fourth place ribbon or withhold the ribbon completely, because dog shows are about judging the best "breeding stock" and that should never be bred in my opinion. I sure hope none of them ever do show up in the ring.

Those are some bad examples of Bulldogs, even their Oldies are nasty looking.

Thank you for the photo. I have never seen one before. Pretty color. Technically, they are not a dudley and so they could be shown. I sure wouldn't advocate doing it though.

at their website they say Olde English Bulldogges.

That litter just makes my skin crawl. I'd like to see the pedigrees.

And they consider "mouse" to be blue and therefore a disqualification.

Sorry, I am not awake today!

Jen

because they are not a specific qualification, but they are not a recognized color either.

It would be a similar situation to a merle bulldog, not specifically disqualified, but not a recognized color either.

Maybe one of the frenchie folks knows the answer, but wasn't he National Club looking at clarifying this and taking an official position?

Jen

I thought the same thing! They look like they are Neo pups.

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Interesting. Lottie

they really had to sacrifice quality for those rare bulldogs..... lol, gross!!! that all blue litter looks like neapolitan mastiff crosses.

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Disqualifications
Any alteration other than removal of dewclaws.
Over 28 pounds in weight.
Other than bat ears.
Nose other than black, except in the case of lighter colored dogs, where a lighter colored nose is acceptable.
Solid black, mouse, liver, black and tan, black and white, and white with black. Black means black without a trace of brindle.

Couldnt find Blue Bulldogs, but found lots of Blue Brindle Frenchies. Is this color in the standard?
Its beautiful but is it correct?


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I hadn't heard of a blue bulldog so I had to search to see one. This guy is I think an Olde English but I'm sure the color is the same.

http://www.englishbulldogpuppiesny.com/bluebulldogpups.htm
and they paid 10,000 bucks for that stud dog..

Kelly

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The gentleman with the many colored litter did not repeat it.

He did breed the same bitch, to two different studs, again twice more with no issues.

I don't have pictures, but Weimeraners are excellent examples of silver blues.

Isabella/fawn dobermans are good reps of the other type

Jen

Thank you so much Jennifer.That was extremely interesting reading as I had truly never ever heard of it. If anyone has a photo of one it would be interesting to see as they do sound like they would be very pretty. While these is all news to me, I am familiar with Dudley's.

We were so happy when we had a litter of nine puppies once. But even having never seen a dudley, as we were rubbing them at the vet's, my gut feeling was telling me "Oh no......I think we have five dudleys." And we did! Like the blues, they made wonderful, healthy pets.

The person you mentioned that repeated the breeding after the first litter threw the blue, were indeed lucky. The person that related their story me, did have just one in the first breeding and against their better judgment repeated the breeding and they got three out of six.

For anyone reading this, don't think it can't happen to you!

While inbreeding maybe the fastest way to get to those interesting recessive genes, I once saw a litter, with no dogs common for at least four generations, that had three isabella's and two blues. The breeder was, of course, not delighted. But they were healthy and happy and made nice pets. He opted to place the three normal colored pups as he suspected a good chance they were carrying some of the same genes. After a lot of thought he bred mom again and no problem. So far as I know, three generations later, no more dilutes.

Both he and the stud owner chalked it up to bad luck, wished they could hit the same odds in Vegas, and just moved on.

I have not had any dilutes. I did have a white boy who at two weeks had NO pigment ANYWHERE. Jay was calling him Pinky and/or LabRat. When his eyes opened and they were dark I was very happy, I honestly thought he could be leucistic, which is blue eyed white, or even pink eyed true albino. Both forms of white have serious health issues. He ultimately ended up with good pigment and even some ticking but for those first two weeks... As they say, if you breed long enough you'll get everything once!

By the way blue dilute on brindle is blue with silver or blue with creme, actually quite pretty but a real prob. in frenchies right now as the puppymillers market blues the same way bulldog millers market blacks.

Jen

The pups are blue. Blue can range in color, depending on "base" color from dark blue nearly black, which is the dilute version of black, to silver which is a blue dilution of fawn.

When they are young, the eyes will be an intense blue, when older they generally silver out to match the coat and nose color. The dilute of red, most commonly, is isabella, a goldish/brassy color with generally matching eyes and nose color.

I have seen both in bulldogs, but only very rarely. Tight line-breeding will sometimes bring dilute genes together.

then there are double dilutes, but talk to a cremello horse enthusuiast if you want the skinny on that.

The blue/grey eyes of blue or silver dilutes are NOT the same as true blue eyes. Dilute blue eyes are simply brown eyes affected by the same gene as the coat and skin. True blue eyes are a separate gene.

The things one learns when one has friends in breeds with dilute coat colors, wanted or not!

Jen