Who are the judges for your specialties??

Kelly
Whitehills Bulldogs
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I think I will be fine with That.

"Is it not the same judges who are finishing these dogs who are not worthy BUT yet continue to win who are awarding the Grand Championship points?

Andy"

Bingo!

e

before. I remember Jacqueline Stacy doing it when she judged
rotties at a small show. She wasn't impressed with any of the dogs shown so there will be some who will.

Laura
Thunderstruck Bulldogs
http://sitekreator.com/thunderstruckbulldog/index.html

To those who understand no explanation is needed. To those who don't no explanation is possible.

"It provides a mechanism to perhaps separate those dogs that finished with either difficulty or luck from dogs of a higher quality. We all know that there will be exceptions, bad dogs can, do and will always continue to be rewarded when they are not deserving. However, overall, it will be much harder for that dog of questionable quality to qualify for the Grand Champion title"

Is it not the same judges who are finishing these dogs who are not worthy BUT yet continue to win who are awarding the Grand Championship points?

Andy

Personally I am looking forward to the new program. Yes, the bottom line is that it will increase revenues for the AKC.  But, there are several positives in obtaining a new title. 

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For those owners whose dogs have completed their Championship it provides a purpose to continue to show their dog.  Many dogs finish their <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />Ch., then what?    Many people enjoyed the experience of showing their dog but dont have the capacity to continue to obtain new dogs to show.  Sure you can enter them in Breed anyway but unless you are actively campaigning your dog what is the point?   It is more fun when you have a goal. 

It provides a mechanism to perhaps separate those dogs that finished with either difficulty or luck from dogs of a higher quality.  We all know that there will be exceptions, bad dogs can, do and will always continue to be rewarded when they are not deserving.  However, overall, it will be much harder for that dog of questionable quality to qualify for the Grand Champion title. 

It should provide for more competition on the breed level.  As I stated before, most owners finish their dogs and then they disappear.  There are some nice dogs that are never heard from again once they finish their Ch.  Out of sight, out of mind.  The breed, as a whole, could benefit from some of these dogs being seen in competition.   As someone who regularly competes on the Breed and Group level.  I welcome the new participants.   More competition just makes the wins more meaningful. 

Betsy

The Premium List is ready, I'm doing the Trophies, and the time is flying by too fast. We're doing both AM and PM shows on Friday, leading up to the Del Sur KC Show at Del Mar Fairgrounds for anyone interested in enjoying some SoCal sunshine and good times.

it is the quality of the dog that should make the Title important. Not the other way around Just my 2 cents.

a Grand Championship title but it's quite different and more difficult to earn. However, you do start collecting these points as a class dog. I'm not sure of all the details but I believe you need 100 points to be a grand champion at least one BIS and most of the points are collected in group wins.

It is a way for the CKC and the AKC to have people continue to show their dog after a championship title - mo' money essentially!

Shelley - Sophie N Angels Mocha & Stella

who have specials regardless of the quality of the dog these are the dogs who will have the Grand Champ status. I also have to ask myself is the stud fees of a Grand Champ going to be higher? I really don't think this new title will do much for the breed but line the pockets of AKC. I agree with Andy & Cati but I'm a Joe Blow who gets to show 12-15 times a year.

Laura
Thunderstruck Bulldogs
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Took the words right out of my mouth.

Laura
Thunderstruck Bulldogs
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It will be great for handlers..more dog clients trying to reach that GR CH status...and for people that show 50 weeks out of the year but what about us Joe Blows? It is like trying to reach the impossible dream.

How old will some of these GR CH be when they finally attain their goal? For us Joe Blows it takes much longer to get the CH title on a dog when you are only able to do a dozen shows a year. With this GR CH rubbish you can't even say your dog is really finished until it gets that title.

Still think it is crap! and I won't be impressed.

15.2 Grand Champion (GCh)

15.2.1 The title of Grand Champion may only be earned after the completion of the CKC Conformation Championship.

15.2.2 Points for this title are only accumulated after the completion of the Conformation Championship and do not include the points earned in attaining the Conformation Championship.

15.2.3 A minimum of 100 points which must include one Best in Show or a Best of Breed at a Breed National Specialty (where a minimum of ten dogs have competed) or a Best in Multiple Breed Specialty with at least five breeds represented; plus 3 group firsts or 3 Breed Specialty wins must be earned at Conformation shows.

a) GRAND CHAMPION POINT SYSTEM

Group 1 or Best in Specialty Show 5 Points
Group 2 or Best of Opposite Single Breed Specialty Show 4 Points
Group 3 3 Points
Group 4 2 Points

(Note: no points are acquired if no other dog is present in the group.)

Best of Breed 1 Point
(To earn the breed point, at least 5 dogs must be shown at breed level)

Best in Show or Best in National Specialty Show or Best in Multi Breed Specialty Show 10 Points

15.2.4 Only the highest points earned at a single show are carried forward. For example, a dog that wins Group 1 and then wins Best in Show, earns 10 points, not 15.

15.2.5 Additional Requirements

The dog must have been awarded a title from any CKC event, other than Conformation, or awarded a Canine Good Neighbour Certificate.

15.2.6 The title of Grand Champion shall not be awarded retroactively, but a dog shall be eligible to be awarded this title if the dog gains some points towards the title or completes any additional requirement after January 1, 2007.



Shelley - Sophie N Angels Mocha & Stella

Yes, I have read the criteria for the Grand Championship title. Often times the best dog does not win, even in very large classes, which will result in unworthy dogs obtaining a Grand Champion title. It is not so much the dog that took years to finish rather the unworthy dogs who finish, specialed and then put up time after time. IMO I just don't think it will be much harder for certain dogs of questionable quality to qualify for the Grand Champion title when currently you see these dogs of questionable quality, at the breed level, constantly being put up.


Andy

Awarding these points is at the discretion of the judge.. I wonder then how many will be brave enough to withhold points when it is warranted, or will they just give them out because they can?

Hopefully this will be a positive venture.

I still have concerns that "joe public" will perceive a dog with this title as better than one that does not have one, based mainly on the fact that one owner decided to pursue it and another one did not.

Kind of like ranked dogs are only ranked because they are campaigned and not because they are necessarily better than those that choose to stay home.

Still not 100% on board with this.

e

Andy,

I do not understand what you are asking?  Logically, if a dog had a difficult time finishing a regular Championship, then obtaining a title above and beyond that will be even more difficult. 

Have you read the criteria to obtain the Grand Champion title?  If you have then you would know that at least 3 wins towards the title must include defeats over other Champions.  Also, there are no "crossover" wins like BW in the classes.  That in and of itself creates a higher degree of difficulty.  You have to obtain 25 pts and 3 major wins to earn the Grand Champion title.  How many fewer Champions would there be if those were the qualifiers?  

If your complaint is that unworthy dogs win regularly.  I agree with you just as I stated in the paragraph you copied in your post.  Keep in mind, however, that judges can only judge the dogs that are there on the day.  What was worthy of the win on the day may not stack up in other competition.  Maybe if more Champions were shown in Best of Breed and the judges were given a better choice, some of the less worthy dogs would not be winning as often. 

Betsy

www.blovedbulldogs.com

I fully understand that. I was making the point that it would not be the same day under the same judge. The person or handler would have to find that judge again, at some point, to show the dog again. I am speaking of class dogs and judges that awarded points to obtain the dogs Ch. title.

Zack

If a dog got a 'merry christmas' win under a judge, most exhibitors would go back to that judge again.
There are a ton of judges at all-breed shows that aren't particularly qualified with Bulldogs, but they still get a decent draw. Has to be a reason.

Is it not after the dogs are finished that they would compete in this "new" Class? So then it would be different judges? Am I reading it wrong?

Zack

I have no desire to special a dog-some has to do with finances, also I don't have dogs of "special" caliber but mainly because I have no desire to compete on that level. Just getting a dog finished is enough of a challenge for me.

Laura
Thunderstruck Bulldogs
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I don't see where it is really any different than BIS, BISS. Except the AKC doesn't recognize the BIS/BISS as part of an official title but they will recognize Gr. Ch. They aren't making it any harder to get the CH. in front of the dogs name, so IMO it still means alot. I do think that it is just to make more money for the AKC though.`

http://www.akc.org/enewsletter/ecbulletin/2010/winter/champion.cfm

Wild West Bulldogs

What's going on with the AKC? Please inform me.

starting May 12th.

Seems like all of us little guys may as well give up. Being a champion won't mean much anymore. Wanna place a bet on who will have the first one? LOL

I was reading a little about it a few months ago. I am not really sure what the pupose of it would be, oh I guess for the AKC it would be more revenue.

Reminds me of UKC and World Wide Kennel Club - remember them?