Trachea Problems........


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Trachea Problems........

Was reading the post below on small trachs - my wife and I have been battling a problem that has been diagnosed by a bulldog vet and specialist as a small trach. We have done everything we can to help the dog (now 2 years old). He has had the pallat shortened twice (once by laser then shortened by knife), he has had all of the extra skin, etc. in the back of his throat removed to clean his airway, and he has been x-rayed to attempt to diagnose his problem. Small trachea is the diagnoses. The last time his pallat was shortened they used a size 6 trach tube which i understand is not unusually small.

The problem: Every morning when he Adminses he has to be coaxed to throw up large quantities of foam which looks like and has the consistency of wallpaper paste. Very thick. Once this is done, he is a normal bulldog for the remainder of the day. The only other difference in he and a normal dog is everytime he drinks water, he throws the majority of it up and his eyes tear continuously-far more than other bulldogs we have owned.

If someone could explain to me the physics behind making this foam, i would like to know it. I understand high velocities associated with small pipes, but I don't understand what would make this saliva (I assume) so thick and pasty.

TRACHEA

ACCORDING TO MY MANY VET VISITS APPARENTLY WHEN A TRACHEA IS SMALL THEREDOES NOT SEEM TO BE CILLIA IN IT ( FINGERLIKE THINGS ON WALLS OF TRACH) TO KEEP THINGS OUT OF TRACHEA. SINCE IT IS SMALL THE REGULAR MUCOUS IS NOT EXITING THE LUNGS THE WAY IT SHOULD AND BECOMES TRAPPED IN THE LUNG, THEREFORE THE NEED TO PUKE IT UP BECOMES NECESSARY FOR THE DOG TO BREATHE CLEARLY. I PUT JUNIOR IN THE BATHROOM WITH ME WHEN I SHOWER TO HELP BREAK UP THE MUCOUS.I HAVE SEEN THAT MUCOUS QUITE ALOT AND KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU MEAN. IT IS LIKE ELMERS GLUE JUST GOOEYER( IS THAT A WORD?) I KNOW THAT YOU CAN ALSO NEBULIZE THE DOG WITH AN ASMATIC BREATHING MACHINE WITH MEDS OR SALINE IN THE STEAMER TO OPEN BRONCHIAL TUBES AND HELP THE MUCOUS BREAK UP EASIER.MY PUP IS ONLY 8 MONTHS BUT I HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH ELONGATED PALATE AND SMALL TRACH AND SUPPOSEDLY IT DOESN'T GET ANY EASIER.HAD PALATE SURGERY SO WE DO NOT GAG ANYMORE BUT NOW THE LUNG ISSUES ARE BAD. WHERE DID YOU GET YOUR BULLY?

Pyloric Stenosis

My understanding of this ailement is it involves the valve from the stomach/intestine. When he drinks, the water comes back after about 2 minutes at the most. I don't know how the downstream side of the stomach could cause that

Pyloric stenosis

Is a problem frequent in the breed in which the stomach opening is too tight. It can make bullys throw up much more than normal and is usually evident at a very early age but unfortunately is often passed off as "Bulldog problems" or soft palate issues. Ask your vet if they have cinsidered this as a possiblity. They can always do a barium x-ray series to find out if this is the problem. Good luck

Have you discussed cough medicine with your vet

The term "expectorant" is for a cough medication that will help you cough up phlegm...it is used for humans (adult and children) with a similar situation to what you are describing. Have you tried any of the children's expectorants for your bulldog...and if so, I'd try it daily for at least one week to see if it helped him clear his throat each moring...better than giving him a milk-treat. Milk often is not tolerated by adult dogs (can cause diarrhea and/or create more phlegm) and that would be my personal 'last-choice' way to go'. I agree with Sue's comment, that a size 6 trachea tube indicates a small-end-of-normal range on a bulldog, and would normally be found on a dog about 20lbs of weight rather than a 50-60 pound animal. I'd definitely try to feed an evening snack to avoid acid build-up which will prompt unplanned vomit, and I'd try to keep good control of the weight of this dog, ie, don't let him get overweight as that will put additional stress on his breathing. You might also try using a child's vaporizer going overnight where he sleeps...not blowing directly at him, but nearby enough to keep any nasal congestion to a minimum, thereby giving him the best access to his breathing capacity.

wish I could help

the only thing I could suggest is a quick squirt of lemon juice right down the throat to break up the foam.

Don't have a clue why this is happening. Hopefully someone will.

Sue and Sumo

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Trachea and vomitting

The foam is white and very thick...pasty. The two vets were very careful not to clip the palate too short because they were aware of the problems associated with doing so. This foam builds up overnight and in the morning we try to feed him something that would cause him to throw it up-treats with milk usually work. After he throws up he has a pretty good day. I need to get this figured out before he gets older......I'm afraid he will get pneumonia from inhaleing the stuff.

I don't buy it -

I don't think the problem you are describing is necessarily a small trachea problem. I don't know my Georgia's trach size, but I know it is cat size like Sue/Sumo's. She NEVER vomits. Before she had her palate surgery she did.

I don't know who your vet is - and I don't want to make any assumptions, but an expert did tell me that overly-clipped palates cause this problem....I specifically remember this expert telling me that if a palate is trimmed too short, that the dog will have vomit and aspiration issues.... But - it might have nothing to do with this, and I could be 100% wrong....I am not an expert, I just know my experience and what an expert said to me once.

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trachea and vomitting

actually, a size 6 is on the narrow end of the bulldog scale but in my opinion, not terribly small. They tend to average between 6-9. My Libby measured a size 4 (cat size).

Re the vomitting. Is it yellow in color? If yes, it is stomach acid (bile) and because he goes all nite with no food, there is nothing for the acid to breakdown so he brings it up. Most that have this problem tend to vomit first thing in the morning. My guy used to do it 3-4 times a week when he was young. He hasn't had a problem in over 4 yrs now. When is his last meal? A few treats before bed may stop this problem as would feeding his 2nd meal later in the evening between 8-9pm. The trick is to be sure there is always a little something in his tummy before bedtime.

If he is barfing white foam, that is usually associated with overheating but since he does it first thing in the morning, he has been sleeping and is not overheated so I can't offer a possible cause nor can I help with the vomitting up of water. Have you tried giving 1/2 cup at a time and see if that helps. Maybe he drinks too fast and brings it up like some do with their food if they scarf it up.

Excessive tearing can be from allergies or even some kind of eye disorder. Is everything okay there?

Sue and Sumo

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