I ran out last week and it proved my 2 old ladies need them. One had runny nasty poops and the other had horrible gas. Audrey seems to have very little problems, as long as her food is raw meat. I use the Wholistic Digest All Plus.

Cathy
when she first came home

If he goes twice in the am, again at night, and still more during the day, that is a LOT of pooping!
That is a LOT of food waste passing through his system. Maybe you are just feeding him way too much.
I haven't paid a whole lot of attention to the food amounts discussions because each dog is an individual with their own unique requirements, but that really seems to be a LOT of waste.
When Audrey was around 7 or 8 months old and we took her to the ER vet, she weighed 44 pounds, and we were told she was very overweight. I cut her food back from 3 cups/day (1 1/2 each meal) to 1 1/2 cups a day (3/4 cup per meal). Now she is 16 months old and weighs 41 pounds, which is ideal for her. She has been 41 pounds since right at her first birthday when she was spayed. I feed her raw, and have to watch the amounts I feed her because she can put on weight fast. The first thing I notice is her waist gets thick and she loses that tuck-up. I used to worry she was too skinny, but the people here explained to me they are SUPPOSED to have that tuck up in their waist. Her last rib is also a good indicator that she is too heavy, because it disappears when she puts on weight. So you can watch things like that to make sure he is staying at a good weight for him, more than a "number" that he should weigh.

Cathy
when she first came home

I would say it was within a day or two that we saw a difference. I do know it doesn't work with some dogs. How long did you try it for?

in school.

they see food reps who sell them on a product and go by what the reps tell them.


Most times loose stool is from over feeding. I know many have problems on Wellness and it turns out they are way over feeding the food. be very careful what you feed, if the bag says 4cups a day cut that in 1/2 for a bulldog.

If he looses weight then increase by 1/4 cup in to feedings.

you can get some Digestive enzymeze to help his stomach. here is what i use, i get the powder. We use it for puppies and adults just put it in the water dish.
http://www.probioticsmart.com/index.cfm/event/viewitems/categoryId/2158/


Vicky,
Bosco, Bella, Breve' & Holly

www.LangagerBulldogs.com

PHOTOS ARE PROPERTY OF LANGAGER BULLDOGS, YOU MUST HAVE WRITTEN PERMISSION FOR ANY USE OF THESE PHOTOS FROM LANGAGERBULLDOG.

I've tried a probiotic and digestive enzyme (not together...about a month apart of each other) and they seemed to make the situation worse. But maybe I didn't give it enough time... Glad you found a solution to Oliver's problem!

What I still can't figure out is that his first two poops of the day are fine and same goes for the last thing at night but something happens midday to mess up his system. (And his diet is exactly the same during that time of the day. I'm not overloading him with treats or anything.) So sometimes the food digests okay but other times it doesn't. Fortunately he has never thrown anything up so I guess that's a good thing...

and not the meat and veggies in the food.
It sounds like a very strict food trial is going to be unavoidable for you.
Also, I read an article about yeast in dogs, and it said that if your dog is having problems, and you do an allergy test to try to see what it is instead of doing a food trial, the tests WILL show allergies to all kinds of things that are really not allergies, just an indicator that the dogs' body at that moment in time was really messed up and overly sensitive.
Audrey has a VERY sensitive stomach.
She can eat raw beef, LOVES it. But if we give her some of ours that has ben cooked, she throws it up.
If we give her freeze dried beef that has added chemicals in it (like training treats) her face gets yeasty smelling again.
She throws up cheese, and I haven't even tried yogurt again because it has no benefits that make it worth it.
She LOVES raw eggs.
The point is, you may have to give him a diet that is as SIMPLE as possible. He may be very sensitive to the chemicals or rendering process in kibble. Food sensitivities can take time to develop, hence the mystery of "My dog has been eating this for a long time and never had problems before so it can't be the food"

Cathy
when she first came home

We would give him yogurt when he was younger and he would always throw up. We stopped giving it to him and the throwing up stopped. So that was our conclusion, lactose intolerance. We started giving him probiotic powder which is basically all the good digestive stuff in yogurt just a little more potent. We get the one made by The Holistic Pet and it seems to be working really well. His poops have firmed up and there is no throwing up.

so you want to be careful with it. You also doubled his normal food intake which can cause an upset stomach.

Be careful with the salmon oil, it needs to be WILD not hatchery or farm raised. They both have high numbers of mercury. The high numbers in metals can cause major skin issues for some dogs. When you are feeding a dog fish based foods this is one thing you need to look at. Some dogs do very well on fish based foods, others dont. If you dog doesnt do well on them, then you should not give fish based omega 3's. You can give flax sead oil which is also great for eyes and increases tear production.


Remember the shelf life on salmon oil is not very long either, it should be kept in the fridge.

Fish oil at Costco is hatchery and has very high mercury and metals when my vet sent it in for testing.

Vicky,
Bosco, Bella, Breve' & Holly

www.LangagerBulldogs.com

PHOTOS ARE PROPERTY OF LANGAGER BULLDOGS, YOU MUST HAVE WRITTEN PERMISSION FOR ANY USE OF THESE PHOTOS FROM LANGAGERBULLDOG.

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If he has such a sensitive system now I can't "wait" to see what he's intolerant to as he gets older. I feel bad that I can't give him things that are supposedly good for him like yogurt, cottage cheese, salmon oil and eggs but I know it's better to avoid the stuff. I may ask my vet about whether Tuffy might be lactose intolerant during our next visit... Or it could be grains. Or chicken. Or who knows what else!! The quest for his digestive health continues.... The only good thing is that Tuffy is gaining weight and not uncomfortable in the least when he has digestive upset. I'm also going to get one of those slow feeder dishes so he stops gobbling his food. Hopefully that may help to some degree.

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Maybe that's what is causing the poop problems, and not the food at all! Maybe you should try flax for omega 3's instead of fish oil.

Cathy
when she first came home

I've been told that many dogs as they get older become lactose intolerant.

Like I said it's a good product and Tuffy likes it but maybe once he's on a food that works for him I can ease him back into it...

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I switch between the cod liver oil and the salmon. I like it because it doesn't smell as strong as some of the other stuff I've bought. It SAYS it's from clean waters of Iceland, so I sure hope it's true.

Cathy
when she first came home

amount of salmon oil. No extra goodies on his food when he is changing food. It's a bit hard on the stomach.

Vicky,
Bosco, Bella, Breve' & Holly

www.LangagerBulldogs.com

PHOTOS ARE PROPERTY OF LANGAGER BULLDOGS, YOU MUST HAVE WRITTEN PERMISSION FOR ANY USE OF THESE PHOTOS FROM LANGAGERBULLDOG.

It says to give 1 teaspoon but I've only been giving 1/4 teaspoon. Also it said that it just needs to be in a cold, dry place. Tuffy goes nuts for the stuff but maybe it doesn't agree with him. Just like yogurt, eggs, cottage cheese and pretty much any other toppings that I've added to his kibble in the past (not all at the same time, of course!). Think I'd better just stick to kibble for now!

FYI...This is the info on the product I'm using. I looked at seveal of them and this one looked pretty good but I'm no expert...
total Fat 4.99g
saturated fat 0.14g
Omega fatty acids 1,118mg
Elcosapentaenoic Acid* max (EPA) 644mg
Docosahexaenoic Acid* max (DHA) 414mg
omegas 6 fatty Acids* max 82mg
Crude protein 0%
Crude Fat 99.9%
Moisture 0.01%
Ingredients:Atlantic Salmon Oil
Calorie Content: 9 calories per 1 gram. 1 Litter (33oz) = 9,000 calories

Kim
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I discontinued it a few weeks ago to see if it was the culprit but he still had soft stools. I don't think it was the main cause but certainly didn't seem to help. His stools were firmer thse past few days as I've been transitioning him to his new food so I slowly started working it back into his evening meal to see if he could tolerate it but will probably discontinue again until he's fully transitioned to his new food.

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if you can catch her :O)

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