he is neutered.
she contacted the breeder too.
we are thinking she wanted Max back.
but oh well.....
he was beaten everyday...
do not think she deserves to hear anything for that matter.
he is much happier and a good example of what happens with a rescue ...that was severely abused..and taken care of....
I Put tons of hours into this pug Max. he is going to join the therapy program soon. he is excellent as a dog that has the sixth sense. he has done some therapy work already..just want to get him registered for that..to do it more often

I do totally understand that a dog could get into rescue..that was not really the fault of the owner..like a person passing away in the family and things like that..but I imagine things like that do not happen much. there was not mention of Max getting beaten until much later ..after I had him.then the real story came out..although she claimed it was just her husband that did it...

I am just glad that this lady..returned Max to the breeder and breeder called me to help. I have his brother and half sister..so Max just kinda fit right in..along with the pugs and esepecially Bella the bulldog.

also the fact that I would think that would be trauma to see this lady again for max for that matter
I am sticking with no contact.

thanks for you imput again

Pat

In the case of the one dog that came back, they tried SO hard to make it work, and we devastated that it did not work. But at last report both dogs were doing great in there new homes so maybe it was not ment to be.

It almost sounds like she wants to use Max again. I agree that a in a owner relinquish that there is normally there is no more contact. But again I know of at least on exception to that rule, but that is another story for another day!. Sad story but a good exception.

Glad I could help!

Thanks

Mark

I can see you had to completely different cases.
ONE they at least made the attempt to adjust to the new resce
where the other one..was not going to be good for the rescue.
I can see the difference.

the lady that turned in Max to the breeder..who then sent Max to me..is looking to see Max again. this is one and a half years later. NO idea why she wants to now. but I am not having any contact. if you turn a dog into rescue I think that is part of it..that you will NOT likely see the dog again. I could see it if Max came a family that had NO OTHER Choice in the matter..like a death or something.

thanks for your imput
Mark

The rescue I work with has had several problems like this and they have been handled on a case by case basis.

The one that I personally experienced was in the case of a puppy mill girl we had. Because of that she was not house trained at all, and despite our best effort to get her to go outside in the middle of the a chicago winter was challange. In less then 12 hrs. the emailed and said that they did want her. When we picked her up they told us she was great and they loved her personality and she was not going to fit in because they thought we were exaggerating when we all told her she was not house broke. They kept saying accidents, and we kept saying NO not house broken. Needles to say they were not adopting from us again.

The second incident was a family that adopted a dog. This dog did not get along with the resident bullies. They were in contact with the rescue, worked with the director, the trainers, everybody to try to get this to work. It eventually did not work and she had to give up the dog. The rescuee was heart broken because she loved the dog but resized that it was not going to work with a constant war between dogs in the house. They got a new dog a few weeks ago and are doing great!! She is so thankful for the help that we provided and got her a right fit!!!

So I hope that helps. Gives different perspective from 2 different real life cases.

Thanks

Mark

NICE to see comments from people in rescue on this thread
I would have asked on the other board..but they are far to heated on the subject at the moment
wow very touchy subject.

I think all rescues should come on a trial bais too.

some people like this girl...has a one dog family and a cat. the cat was not impressed either with the new dog and her dog is an alpha female. so that does not help that much either..

having a rescue is a decision that I think all many people feel they it is best to adopt a rescue first. personally I think adopting a rescue second is much better..or in my case 5th..lol. I had lots of dog experience with the other dogs too that helped. but I did not expect Max to just come in here and fit right in first night.

like I said on another thread Bella the Bully is seeing a behaviourist since they are soo impressed with her and the pugs and her behaviour with them. she is totally awesome. with her it was like Max was here forever when he came..would be nice if all rescues worked out like that with a new dog.

thanks for your responses

NICE to see comments from people in rescue on this thread
I would have asked on the other board..but they are far to heated on the subject at the moment
wow very touchy subject.

I think all rescues should come on a trial bais too.

some people like this girl...has a one dog family and a cat. the cat was not impressed either with the new dog and her dog is an alpha female. so that does not help that much either..

having a rescue is a decision that I think all many people feel they it is best to adopt a rescue first. personally I think adopting a rescue second is much better..or in my case 5th..lol. I had lots of dog experience with the other dogs too that helped. but I did not expect Max to just come in here and fit right in first night.

like I said on another thread Bella the Bully is seeing a behaviourist since they are soo impressed with her and the pugs and her behaviour with them. she is totally awesome. with her it was like Max was here forever when he came..would be nice if all rescues worked out like that with a new dog.

thanks for your responses

There are a variety of policies and procedures that different breed groups follow. Knowing our breed I think that most rescue groups try to place a dog in "foster care" so that we can get a personality evaluation on the bulldog before it is considered for placement...and experienced bully owners/rescue workers can get pretty good at this to where they will know the rescue dog well...the question often remains about the resident dog and whether it is willing to accept another dog into the family. Some potential adopters are clueless as to reading the signs of their own dog in response to another...have never "babysat" another dog or had one stay at their home to observe their dog's responses and interactions with a new animal.

There are several factors that would govern a situation that was described above...and there are many "unknowns" here including but not limited to the personality of the rescue dog, the resident dog, the potential adopter's experience with animals (multi-dog home) and the experience of the rescue group's volunteers in evaluating the entire situation. I strongly feel that there should be a "home trial period" for any adoption and that it is the responsibility of the rescue organization to provide as full a picture of the rescue dog as possible including behavior, health and history for the potential home.

There are a variety of policies and procedures that different breed groups follow. Knowing our breed I think that most rescue groups try to place a dog in "foster care" so that we can get a personality evaluation on the bulldog before it is considered for placement...and experienced bully owners/rescue workers can get pretty good at this to where they will know the rescue dog well...the question often remains about the resident dog and whether it is willing to accept another dog into the family. Some potential adopters are clueless as to reading the signs of their own dog in response to another...have never "babysat" another dog or had one stay at their home to observe their dog's responses and interactions with a new animal.

There are several factors that would govern a situation that was described above...and there are many "unknowns" here including but not limited to the personality of the rescue dog, the resident dog, the potential adopter's experience with animals (multi-dog home) and the experience of the rescue group's volunteers in evaluating the entire situation. I strongly feel that there should be a "home trial period" for any adoption and that it is the responsibility of the rescue organization to provide as full a picture of the rescue dog as possible including behavior, health and history for the potential home.

I am not sure of the whole story either. I do not personally know this person.
I can only tell you what I find with a rescue dog myself and that is what I told her.
I do not think people should rush out to get a rescue dog unless they are willing to take the time for adjustment and such that goes with it.
I think what happened to her is that she thought the rescue would just fit in with her other dog and all would be fine right off the start.

it can be..but I doubt that is the norm told her.
even taking our own bullies for a visit here..you have to be cautious taking them anothers home with a dog present.

I think bringing a rescue dog into a home with dogs would be hard to do.

Bella the bulldog here was awesome with Max the rescue. she was great with him first day..and still is. Max is her b all and end all..lol. but the rest of the dogs took time to accept him and him to accept them too. I have 5 dogs in this house.......and the rescue was the 5th.
Max came from a home where he was beaten the first 6 months of his life and he lived with another pug. so maybe that was the difference..he was used to another dog.

thanks for your input

I am not sure of the whole story either. I do not personally know this person.
I can only tell you what I find with a rescue dog myself and that is what I told her.
I do not think people should rush out to get a rescue dog unless they are willing to take the time for adjustment and such that goes with it.
I think what happened to her is that she thought the rescue would just fit in with her other dog and all would be fine right off the start.

it can be..but I doubt that is the norm told her.
even taking our own bullies for a visit here..you have to be cautious taking them anothers home with a dog present.

I think bringing a rescue dog into a home with dogs would be hard to do.

Bella the bulldog here was awesome with Max the rescue. she was great with him first day..and still is. Max is her b all and end all..lol. but the rest of the dogs took time to accept him and him to accept them too. I have 5 dogs in this house.......and the rescue was the 5th.
Max came from a home where he was beaten the first 6 months of his life and he lived with another pug. so maybe that was the difference..he was used to another dog.

thanks for your input

Since I wasn't there when the paperwork was filled out and all the interview questions were asked of your friend and her household, all I can say is what I know from my own area. Maybe your friend took the dog too hurriedly. Lots of rescue groups send people over to your house to check out the home and the other dogs, then they have a "meet and greet" with any other dogs in the home to see how it's going to be. Some rescue organizations (orgs) also have a "probationary period" because they do anticipate that there could be some problems with some dogs, and they're willing to take the dog back if it's not a good fit.

Please keep in mind that every rescue org has ITS OWN POLICIES, RULES, PRACTICES, etc. There is no set of state or federal laws governing how an individual breed rescue org can or should act. Personally, I think this is a matter between the rescue group and your friend, and possibly both are at fault - they went into it too soon. Some rescue dogs have so many issues that they can only be placed in a "one-dog" home.

I hope this helps.

Lita

Since I wasn't there when the paperwork was filled out and all the interview questions were asked of your friend and her household, all I can say is what I know from my own area. Maybe your friend took the dog too hurriedly. Lots of rescue groups send people over to your house to check out the home and the other dogs, then they have a "meet and greet" with any other dogs in the home to see how it's going to be. Some rescue organizations (orgs) also have a "probationary period" because they do anticipate that there could be some problems with some dogs, and they're willing to take the dog back if it's not a good fit.

Please keep in mind that every rescue org has ITS OWN POLICIES, RULES, PRACTICES, etc. There is no set of state or federal laws governing how an individual breed rescue org can or should act. Personally, I think this is a matter between the rescue group and your friend, and possibly both are at fault - they went into it too soon. Some rescue dogs have so many issues that they can only be placed in a "one-dog" home.

I hope this helps.

Lita