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This term gets some people confused. It is not mentioned in the American (BCA/AKC) standard, but it is mentioned in the British (and FCI which follows country of origin) one.
From UK/FCI standard; Shoulders broad, sloping and deep, very powerful and muscular giving appearance of being tacked on body.
From AKC; Forequarters Shoulders--The shoulders should be muscular, very heavy, widespread and slanting outward, giving stability and great power.
And for "neck", all of the world's standards call for a moderate neck, only the AKC standard calls for a short one (starting mid 19-teens with the revision). Regardless, they all call for a "well arched" one.
Britain/FCI; Neck-Moderate in length (###), very thick, deep and strong. Well arched at back, with much loose, thick and wrinkled skin about throat, forming dewlap on each side, from lower jaw to chest.
AKC; Neck -- The neck should be short, very thick, deep and strong and well arched at the back.
The arch really makes for an impressive outline.
As far as skeletal/muscular diagrams, I personally am not a scientist or a doctor so that does not interest me personally as much as real-dog comparisons, unless it is a real skeleton of a dog I know to have been a very good representative. I have my doubts about the quality of the dogs who "donated" their skulls and skeletons for use in these cases
Any dog skeleton will do for learning the names of bones and muscles as all dogs share the same anatomy, only their conformation is different.
So here are some pictures. I know many of you have seen them a hundred times or so, but they might clarify things for those who never saw them or do not understand what we are talking about here. Tacked-on;
Not tacked on;
About elbows; From AKC; Elbows--The elbows should be low and stand well out and loose from the body. From British/FCI; Elbows : Elbows low and standing well away from ribs. This means this;
As compared to other breeds of dogs who stand over their elbows like the boxer for example;
Not "out at the elbows" which usually has a whole other set of issues. The entire context of the front end has to be incorporated when you evaluate front ends.
And about necks. Regardless of the length, certainly a long neck is not typical of the breed and you have to watch the "ewe" necks that crop up, WELL ARCHED is your key ingredient; Yes to these;
Submitted by rhianniam on April 26, 2008 - 12:36pm.
now so the scapula is what is considered tacked on..I think i see the whole pic now esp with Kellys pic. as for th neck issues. If a dog has tacked on shoulers it seems to be what gives the dog that huge wide appeaance no only in the front but also at the neck...
Rhiann, Samson, Mia and Karma If you breed then rescue Northern California Bulldog Rescue
Submitted by kellywhitehills on April 25, 2008 - 5:42pm.
When you see tight front movement with tacked on shoulders the upper arm is to short...Elbows should not be tight if the shoulders are tacked on..IF I am wrong please someone jump in and correct me..
Submitted by kellywhitehills on April 25, 2008 - 5:40pm.
Properly tacked on shoulders are not tight..If you look at a dog...I think Elizabeth has some illustrations that better depict tacked on shoulders.. This dog was one of our puppies...at 7 months he lacked tacked on shoulders
He never ever got them.. His mother in my opinon had very nice tacked on shoulders
Submitted by DLemons1 (not verified) on April 25, 2008 - 5:05pm.
on. If they are not then they look like a lab or golden.
Can you have tight elbows if you have correct tacked on shoulders? I would think it is far more common to have loose elbows then tight with tacked on shoulders.
I can't see the skelton picture until I get home. Leaving work now!
Submitted by rhianniam on April 25, 2008 - 4:48pm.
in both pics the shoulder looks the same to me...and are tacked on shoulders good or bad? Tacked on shoulders I thought cause a tight front and bad front movement? Can anyone clairfy it up for me... thanks
Rhiann, Samson, Mia and Karma If you breed then rescue Northern California Bulldog Rescue
Tacked-on
This term gets some people confused. It is not mentioned in the American (BCA/AKC) standard, but it is mentioned in the British (and FCI which follows country of origin) one.
From UK/FCI standard;
Shoulders broad, sloping and deep, very powerful and muscular giving appearance of being tacked on body.
From AKC;
Forequarters Shoulders--The shoulders should be muscular, very heavy, widespread and slanting outward, giving stability and great power.
And for "neck", all of the world's standards call for a moderate neck, only the AKC standard calls for a short one (starting mid 19-teens with the revision). Regardless, they all call for a "well arched" one.
Britain/FCI;
Neck-Moderate in length (###), very thick, deep and strong. Well arched at back, with much loose, thick and wrinkled skin about throat, forming dewlap on each side, from lower jaw to chest.
AKC;
Neck -- The neck should be short, very thick, deep and strong and well arched at the back.
The arch really makes for an impressive outline.
As far as skeletal/muscular diagrams, I personally am not a scientist or a doctor so that does not interest me personally as much as real-dog comparisons, unless it is a real skeleton of a dog I know to have been a very good representative. I have my doubts about the quality of the dogs who "donated" their skulls and skeletons for use in these cases
Any dog skeleton will do for learning the names of bones and muscles as all dogs share the same anatomy, only their conformation is different.
So here are some pictures. I know many of you have seen them a hundred times or so, but they might clarify things for those who never saw them or do not understand what we are talking about here.
Tacked-on;
Not tacked on;
About elbows;
From AKC;
Elbows--The elbows should be low and stand well out and loose from the body.
From British/FCI;
Elbows : Elbows low and standing well away from ribs.
This means this;
As compared to other breeds of dogs who stand over their elbows like the boxer for example;
Not "out at the elbows" which usually has a whole other set of issues. The entire context of the front end has to be incorporated when you evaluate front ends.
And about necks. Regardless of the length, certainly a long neck is not typical of the breed and you have to watch the "ewe" necks that crop up, WELL ARCHED is your key ingredient;
Yes to these;
No to this;
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thank you that was helpful
I get it now...now i am going to go look further at my onw dogs, LOL!
Rhiann, Samson, Mia and Karma
If you breed then rescue
Northern California Bulldog Rescue
thank you that was helpful
I get it now...now i am going to go look further at my onw dogs, LOL!
Rhiann, Samson, Mia and Karma
If you breed then rescue
Northern California Bulldog Rescue
thank you that was helpful
now so the scapula is what is considered tacked on..I think i see the whole pic now esp with Kellys pic. as for th neck issues. If a dog has tacked on shoulers it seems to be what gives the dog that huge wide appeaance no only in the front but also at the neck...
Rhiann, Samson, Mia and Karma
If you breed then rescue
Northern California Bulldog Rescue
Kelly
This was for you I am so tired sorry posted in wrong place Kim
thanks Kim, i think all these are great
for everyone, they give refrence points, of course things might not be 100% correct but you can see area's that people are talking about
Vicky,
Bosco, Bella, Breve' & Holly
http://langagerbulldogs.tripod.com
PHOTOS ARE PROPERTY OF LANGAGER BULLDOGS, YOU MUST HAVE WRITTEN PERMISSION FOR ANY USE OF THESE PHOTOS FROM LANGAGERBULLDOG.
Thanks for Sharing
This is great as you are sharing this is how everybody learns and how we learn to breed better bulldogs Thanks Kim
Part 4
OK this is the best I can do I purchased this at a nationals in the 80s but it shows you all the parts I love it and wanted to share Kim
Part 3
Part 2
OK ALL Of My Boards
I put all boards together bought at a nationals I hope it helps all of you I almost had a nervous breakdown trying to get this to post Kim
ALSO
Thats 7 month old puppy had absolutly NO NECK!
Kelly
Whitehills Bulldogs
http://www.geocities.com/kellywhitehills
I think
When you see tight front movement with tacked on shoulders the upper arm is to short...Elbows should not be tight if the shoulders are tacked on..IF I am wrong please someone jump in and correct me..
Kelly
Whitehills Bulldogs
http://www.geocities.com/kellywhitehills
Rhiann
Properly tacked on shoulders are not tight..If you look at a dog...I think Elizabeth has some illustrations that better depict tacked on shoulders..
This dog was one of our puppies...at 7 months he lacked tacked on shoulders
He never ever got them..
His mother in my opinon had very nice tacked on shoulders
Kelly
Whitehills Bulldogs
http://www.geocities.com/kellywhitehills
Shoulders should be tacked
on. If they are not then they look like a lab or golden.
Can you have tight elbows if you have correct tacked on shoulders? I would think it is far more common to have loose elbows then tight with tacked on shoulders.
I can't see the skelton picture until I get home. Leaving work now!
I dont get it either
in both pics the shoulder looks the same to me...and are tacked on shoulders good or bad? Tacked on shoulders I thought cause a tight front and bad front movement? Can anyone clairfy it up for me...
thanks
Rhiann, Samson, Mia and Karma
If you breed then rescue
Northern California Bulldog Rescue
I noticed the no neck
reminds me of the headless horseman
Vicky,
Bosco, Bella, Breve' & Holly
http://langagerbulldogs.tripod.com
PHOTOS ARE PROPERTY OF LANGAGER BULLDOGS, YOU MUST HAVE WRITTEN PERMISSION FOR ANY USE OF THESE PHOTOS FROM LANGAGERBULLDOG.
No Neck
I do not see the tacked on shoulders but I do see a bulldog with no neck and a long back....
Kelly
Whitehills Bulldogs
http://www.geocities.com/kellywhitehills
It really shows that sturdy little bod, doesn't it?
Thanks Kim!