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about having to deal with a permanent tracheotomy or stage II collapsed larynx?. Especially the quality of life and maintenance for the bully. Thanks

mrhig2004's picture

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I have not seen a dog with a trach, but have had discussion with my vet about the topic. He needed to trach a dog and wanted info about human trachs. He also saved the life of a bully once when he worked in the emerg clinic. The poor thing arrived in end stage heat prostration, he performed an emergency trach and the bully lived.
As with humans, if there is a cough and gag reflex, any secretions are coughed out easily. We have babies with trachs who are not even on monitors, they have good strong coughs and can protect their airway. A trach is quite easy to maintain compared to the alternative airway difficulty, eating difficulty, etc. I imagine in that case, the dog should be watched very carefully. A dog with a trach does not require constant care or monitoring, just more maintenance re:trach changes and cleansing the area. The trach tube itself can be extended with a longer one so no skin folds block the airway, as with humans. It is scary thinking about it, but such a great solution for a dog such as yours. Imagine being able to breathe easier.

mrhig2004's picture

more info

I have not seen a dog with a trach, but have had discussion with my vet about the topic. He needed to trach a dog and wanted info about human trachs. He also saved the life of a bully once when he worked in the emerg clinic. The poor thing arrived in end stage heat prostration, he performed an emergency trach and the bully lived.
As with humans, if there is a cough and gag reflex, any secretions are coughed out easily. We have babies with trachs who are not even on monitors, they have good strong coughs and can protect their airway. A trach is quite easy to maintain compared to the alternative airway difficulty, eating difficulty, etc. I imagine in that case, the dog should be watched very carefully. A dog with a trach does not require constant care or monitoring, just more maintenance re:trach changes and cleansing the area. The trach tube itself can be extended with a longer one so no skin folds block the airway, as with humans. It is scary thinking about it, but such a great solution for a dog such as yours. Imagine being able to breathe easier.

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There was a pug at my vets who had been dumped at the local shelter witha collapsed larynx. From what they explained to me was that this dog was going to need a special home with no other dogs to excite it or it would become cyanotic and fall over suffocating itself.
You couldnt even apprach this poor guy without exciting him and he would pass out. It was sad...
I dont know if every case is different but it sounded pretty serious to deal with.
I hope this all works outfor your bully. Will be thinking of you...

Rhiann @ Butlerbullz


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There was a pug at my vets who had been dumped at the local shelter witha collapsed larynx. From what they explained to me was that this dog was going to need a special home with no other dogs to excite it or it would become cyanotic and fall over suffocating itself.
You couldnt even apprach this poor guy without exciting him and he would pass out. It was sad...
I dont know if every case is different but it sounded pretty serious to deal with.
I hope this all works outfor your bully. Will be thinking of you...

Rhiann @ Butlerbullz


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I think it is a wise decision to talk to your bulldog vet. I have had much success with my dogs vets and put a lot of faith in what they tell me and that is how I came to my decision.
I hope that your bulldog vet can shed some light on this. It is a very difficult call to make. I know there are dogs out there that have done well with a trach, but they are not bulldogs. I hope that you can get answers to your questions.

Re: Well at this time

I think it is a wise decision to talk to your bulldog vet. I have had much success with my dogs vets and put a lot of faith in what they tell me and that is how I came to my decision.
I hope that your bulldog vet can shed some light on this. It is a very difficult call to make. I know there are dogs out there that have done well with a trach, but they are not bulldogs. I hope that you can get answers to your questions.

MOSCO's picture

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the specialist said that "down the road Montgomery might be heading for this surgery" He was very aggressive about going in length about costs and options for payment "credit care" which makes me think about his true intentions. Going to visit the Bulldog vet with many years of experience next week. In any case, this specialist is never going to touch Montgomery again. Second time I have had bad feeling dealing with him.
Thank you

MOSCO's picture

Well at this time

the specialist said that "down the road Montgomery might be heading for this surgery" He was very aggressive about going in length about costs and options for payment "credit care" which makes me think about his true intentions. Going to visit the Bulldog vet with many years of experience next week. In any case, this specialist is never going to touch Montgomery again. Second time I have had bad feeling dealing with him.
Thank you

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Thanks

Will look at the site. Haven't been told that there might be a medicine treatment yet.

MOSCO's picture

Thanks

Will look at the site. Haven't been told that there might be a medicine treatment yet.

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I am so sorry that you are faced with this. I have dealt with this issue and the pros and cons of doing that surgery. I had a male that was having breathing difficulties and so I had him scoped and discovered the problem. I did a lot of research and spoke at length with our veterinary surgeon and also the director of critical care at our veterinary hospital and both of those Dr.'s advised against doing that surgery on a bulldog. Reason being, the bulldog anatomy and all of the folds, having to keep it extremely clean and dry. It was heartbreaking news at the time but I listened to what they had to say. Seemed to me there were more cons then pros and so I opted to NOT do it.
I got the same response from both of those Dr.'s at 2 different times.

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I am so sorry that you are faced with this. I have dealt with this issue and the pros and cons of doing that surgery. I had a male that was having breathing difficulties and so I had him scoped and discovered the problem. I did a lot of research and spoke at length with our veterinary surgeon and also the director of critical care at our veterinary hospital and both of those Dr.'s advised against doing that surgery on a bulldog. Reason being, the bulldog anatomy and all of the folds, having to keep it extremely clean and dry. It was heartbreaking news at the time but I listened to what they had to say. Seemed to me there were more cons then pros and so I opted to NOT do it.
I got the same response from both of those Dr.'s at 2 different times.

judy wilson's picture

i did some research....

my gwen had a paralysis of the trechea...not a collasping one...she passed from it...as surgery was not a option as over 60% of the dogs died with in 4 months.....your problem is corrected mainly with medications very little surgery is done....harness instead of collar...no excitement ect...as for a tube in the throat as a vet tech for over 10 years i have never seen in and i worked for a 8 vet hospital as the charge er nurse....
i guess and its a guess some one would have to be with your dog 24/7 incase it got clogged and needed clearing out....were talking dogs not people and they cannot communicate like a person....
all i can really say is spend a day on the internet get as much info as possible
veterinarypartner.com is a fairly good place to start....

judy wilson's picture

i did some research....

my gwen had a paralysis of the trechea...not a collasping one...she passed from it...as surgery was not a option as over 60% of the dogs died with in 4 months.....your problem is corrected mainly with medications very little surgery is done....harness instead of collar...no excitement ect...as for a tube in the throat as a vet tech for over 10 years i have never seen in and i worked for a 8 vet hospital as the charge er nurse....
i guess and its a guess some one would have to be with your dog 24/7 incase it got clogged and needed clearing out....were talking dogs not people and they cannot communicate like a person....
all i can really say is spend a day on the internet get as much info as possible
veterinarypartner.com is a fairly good place to start....

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